IOTW CD 244
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| + | | name = Dwayne Anthony | ||
| + | | date = Tue, 22 Apr 2008 | ||
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| + | ames wrote regarding the Bodie line: | ||
| + | I believe these were CD 287.1 Lockes in light blue. They were added | ||
| + | later at the top of the pole on side pins when the line was upgraded | ||
| + | from single-phase to three-phase. The original insulators were the CD | ||
| + | 162 Brookfields (dome arc/skirt date) and the CD 244 Pomonas, all | ||
| + | mounted on steel pins with lead threads. | ||
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| + | | name = Caleb Thimmel | ||
| + | | date = Tue, 22 Apr 2008 | ||
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| + | The Colorado line extended from the power station near Ames to the Gold King | ||
| + | mill- a distance of 2 1.4 miles. There were 62 poles with each using two cd | ||
| + | 244 double petticoat Pomona's mounted on the top crossarm, two triple | ||
| + | petticoat Locke cd 287 insulators on the middle crossarm and two double | ||
| + | petticoat porcelain U-744 General Electric insulators mounted on the bottom | ||
| + | crossarm. The large glass insulator used in Colorado was the same as the | ||
| + | one used on the Pomona and San Bernardino plant. (Sources: Elton Gish | ||
| + | multipart Porcelain Insulators Second Edition, 2000; and Transactions of the | ||
| + | American Institute of Electrical Engineers, Vol XV, 1898). | ||
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| + | When was the line upgraded from single phase? | ||
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| + | | name = James Doty | ||
| + | | date = Wed, 23 Apr 2008 | ||
| + | | comment = | ||
| + | No, I think there 287. | ||
| + | I will have to look for the broken piece to compare with the book picture | ||
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| + | | name = Andrew Gibson | ||
| + | | date = Wed, 23 Apr 2008 | ||
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| + | Bill commented | ||
| + | <blockquote> | ||
| + | "Note the comment that the insulators were made of perfectly clear | ||
| + | glass!!! Thus, these we have in the hobby have no doubt turned purple in | ||
| + | the sun... " | ||
| + | </blockquote> | ||
| + | But what exactly does "perfectly clear flint-glass" actually mean? There | ||
| + | are people who will say that "clear" is not a color, it is the state of | ||
| + | transparency. As such, the Pomonas definitely are very "clear" in the | ||
| + | sense of transparent. Theoretically, there's nothing to say that they | ||
| + | couldn't have been purple when put up to begin with. | ||
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| + | I'm not sure what the 1895 concept of "clear" was. Does anyone have an | ||
| + | idea? | ||
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| + | | name = Rick Soller | ||
| + | | date = Wed, 23 Apr 2008 | ||
| + | | comment = | ||
| + | I've added to my web site a picture of the CD 244 I own with the oil | ||
| + | cup. Unfortunately it is nowhere near complete. | ||
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| + | [http://www.collectinginsulators.com/CDs/CD244-1.html CD 244 with oil cup] | ||
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| + | | name = Robin Harrison | ||
| + | | date = Wed, 23 Apr 2008 | ||
| + | | comment= | ||
| + | Awesome! I never knew that specimen existed. Do you know which line it | ||
| + | was found on (since at least one article mentions the oil cup NOT being | ||
| + | used) | ||
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| + | | name = Brent Burger | ||
| + | | date = Wed, 23 Apr 2008 | ||
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| + | I know these Pomonas are common as 42's and a person can get tired of looking through piles of them looking for that one "odd" one with the oil cup, but it really is worth the effort, right ? | ||
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| + | Right. | ||
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| + | Thanks for posting this. I never knew these existed like this ! | ||
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Revision as of 11:41, 24 April 2008
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CD 244 - Insulator of the Week on Mon, 21 Feb 2008
Nickname
Pomona; Westinghouse Pomona; 244 Crosstop
Related Patents
(related) Utility Patent 517,634 issued to George H. WINSLOW on April 3, 1894
Details
Embossing: none.
Colors: Only found in light to medium purple.
Comments
It appears that the large bell-shape design of the "Pomona" was to accommodate the use of a separate oil cup, however many were evidently installed without the cup. Broken specimens have been found with the oil cup actually molded out of the inner skirt (I believe these were found in Colorado).
Known areas of usage are near Telluride, CO; Bodie, CA; and Pomona/San Bernardino, CA. Two mint Pomonas were found in a Los Angeles area antique shop back in 1986---they were previously used as lamp shades on small table lamps! On the Bodie, CA line the Pomonas were only used on the top steep ridge poles (CD 162 Brookfields were used elsewhere). With two Pomonas used at each ridge point, it is estimated that as few as a couple of dozen Pomonas may have been installed on the 13 mile line. Here is a photo of one that survived: PicturePoster #213375100
These brief comments on the Insulator of the Week are not intended to be complete and are presented to encourage discussion and additional information from ICON. Now it's your turn to share info and/or post a photo of your CD 244!
Questions
None
Discussion
Bob Stahr commented on Mon, 21 Apr 2008
I can add the following from an article on the Pomona line that appeared in the New York Times:
The New York Times
New York, NY, Sunday, August 25, 1895 vol. 44, no. 13,731, p. 20, col. 1-3
..............It is needless to say that great care, was taken with the pole line, or running track, for this lightning sprinter. There are, in reality, two transmission lines, one 13 3/4 miles to Pomona, and the other 28 ¾ miles to San Bernardino. Each is built of No. 7 B. & S. gauge of copper wire. At first it was intended to use insulators with oil in their curled rims, but the builders of the line fell back on a double-petticoat, flint glass form, which has answered admirably. As a matter of fact, the oil would not last long in the blistering sun of that region. The poles are Santa Cruz redwood, 23 feet long, and set 125 feet apart................
James Doty commented on Tue, 22 Apr 2008
CD 162 Brookfields were used elsewhere.
Having walked this line, They also had 287 locke on it or used for replacements. Also found was a nice iron pin with cast lead threaded top.
James Doty commented on Tue, 22 Apr 2008
Dwayne Anthony commented on Tue, 22 Apr 2008
ames wrote regarding the Bodie line: I believe these were CD 287.1 Lockes in light blue. They were added later at the top of the pole on side pins when the line was upgraded from single-phase to three-phase. The original insulators were the CD 162 Brookfields (dome arc/skirt date) and the CD 244 Pomonas, all mounted on steel pins with lead threads.
Caleb Thimmel commented on Tue, 22 Apr 2008
The Colorado line extended from the power station near Ames to the Gold King mill- a distance of 2 1.4 miles. There were 62 poles with each using two cd 244 double petticoat Pomona's mounted on the top crossarm, two triple petticoat Locke cd 287 insulators on the middle crossarm and two double petticoat porcelain U-744 General Electric insulators mounted on the bottom crossarm. The large glass insulator used in Colorado was the same as the one used on the Pomona and San Bernardino plant. (Sources: Elton Gish multipart Porcelain Insulators Second Edition, 2000; and Transactions of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers, Vol XV, 1898).
When was the line upgraded from single phase?
James Doty commented on Wed, 23 Apr 2008
No, I think there 287. I will have to look for the broken piece to compare with the book picture
Andrew Gibson commented on Wed, 23 Apr 2008
Bill commented
"Note the comment that the insulators were made of perfectly clear glass!!! Thus, these we have in the hobby have no doubt turned purple in the sun... "
But what exactly does "perfectly clear flint-glass" actually mean? There are people who will say that "clear" is not a color, it is the state of transparency. As such, the Pomonas definitely are very "clear" in the sense of transparent. Theoretically, there's nothing to say that they couldn't have been purple when put up to begin with.
I'm not sure what the 1895 concept of "clear" was. Does anyone have an idea?
Rick Soller commented on Wed, 23 Apr 2008
I've added to my web site a picture of the CD 244 I own with the oil cup. Unfortunately it is nowhere near complete.
Robin Harrison commented on Wed, 23 Apr 2008
Awesome! I never knew that specimen existed. Do you know which line it was found on (since at least one article mentions the oil cup NOT being used)
Brent Burger commented on Wed, 23 Apr 2008
I know these Pomonas are common as 42's and a person can get tired of looking through piles of them looking for that one "odd" one with the oil cup, but it really is worth the effort, right ?
Right.
Thanks for posting this. I never knew these existed like this !
